Posted by NateW on Fri, 05/07/2004 - 20:47 :: Training
Rule number one: don't get bit.

Perhaps that doesn't sound very helpful, but think about it for a minute...



How not to get bit...

If you never get within a few inches of your bird, you'll never get bit. That does put a cramp in your relationship with your bird, but it has some advantages over handling the bird and getting bit. First and foremost, you don't get bit. I don't know about you, but I really enjoy not getting bit. Second, the bird no longer has the opportunity to be rewarded for biting you. By "rewarded" I mostly mean things that we don't often think of as rewards - things like watching you yelp (very exciting for a bored bird), driving you away (very comforting for a frightened bird), and so on.

Instead, find ways to interact with the bird without putting yourself within striking distance. Training, based on positive reinforcement, is very valuable here... Train the bird to climb into a perch or beak the end of a chopstick, for example. Rather than providing training treats by hand, drop them into the bird's food bowl. Both of these can be trained while the bird is in its cage - which makes it very easy for you to not get bit.

The great thing about training with positive reinforcement is that it gives you an excuse to provide the bird with lots and lots of treats. This teaches the bird that you're a fun person to be around - not a scary person to drive away.

Not getting bit is very easy when the bird is caged, but when you let the bird out of its cage you need to stay alert in order to avoid bites. Learn to observe your bird's body language to determine when bites are likely and when bites are not likely. Some birds can be hard to read, but most birds make their mood known in some way. Pay attention to the lay of the feathers on the bird's head - the top and the sides especially. Pay attention to the bird's wings - my pionus tend to droop them when she's stressed, my cockatoo tends to hold his slightly out from his body. Pay attention to the bird's tail - my cockatoo fans her tail when she's stressed, and Amazon parrots are famous for this as well. I have a friend with a caique whose leg feathers fluff out under stress. If you see any signs of stress, don't allow yourself to get within striking distance. It may take a while to learn the signs, but most birds do show signs of their moods in their body language.

What to do if you get bit...

If you do get bit, just drop everything and walk away for a minute or two. Ideally, give everyone else in the room a signal so THEY drop everything and disappear from the bird's view for a minute. Time-out is the only form of punishment that works for birds. If you yell, the bird might find that interesting. If you scare the bird, the bird might decide that biting the scary person was the right thing to do, and then bite you sooner next time.

While you're giving the bird its time out, think about exactly what happened in the moments before you were bit. Did you pick up an object that frightens the bird? Did you make a sudden movement? Did you do anything at all unusual? Did the bird lean away from you before biting? Raise its foot high, as if to push you away?

It might be something very subtle, so try to consider everything that led up to the bite. I realized one day that my cockatoo bites me if I offer him a treat and he's still eating the last treat I gave him. The act of holding my hand in front of his face - even while holding a treat and even while he was eating a treat - caused him to bite me rather than take the treat. That happened a couple of times before I realized it, but knowing what sets him off even though I don't know why it sets him off means that I can avoid repeating that scenario and avoid getting bit again.

Even if you cannot identify what made the bird want to bite, you might be able to identify body language that lets you know that the bird is close to biting. If you can learn this language and stop what you're doing when the bird signals that a bite could be coming, you will be more able to avoid bites.

Also think about the events that immediately followed the bite. Did you yell? Did you leave? Did you put down or move away from whatever you were holding? Birds bite because they want to accomplish something with that bite. If you can figure out what it is they are trying to accomplish, that can also help you avoid repeating a scenario that leads to a bite.

What not to do if you get bit...

First and foremost, don't punish the bird. If you react in a way that makes the bird feel threatened, that might seem helpful over the short term (they probably won't bite again for at least a couple minutes) but it will probably backfire over the longer term. The problem is that punishing a bird teaches the bird to fear you, which is very likely to make the bird even more likely to bite you again in the future.

It can also backfire by teaching the bird that biting is has fun consequences. Whatever you do, don't scold your birds. Your bird might find it rewarding to get a few seconds of your complete and undivided attention - and if the bird is really lucky, you'll even throw in some funny hand gestures. To you, this is a scolding together with some finger-pointing to drive the point home. To your bird, it's show-time!

I have a friend who I am absolutely certain has trained her Hyacinth to nip at strangers and at her neck. It saddens me because the bird was really friendly when we first met... but it's more fun to nip at people because mommy rewards that with 15 seconds of her undivided attention. Birds don't always interpret our actions the way we intend them to.

What you can expect over the long term...

It might take a long time to discover and examine every scenario that causes your bird to want to bite, but fortunately that usually isn't necessary. The more positive interactions you have with your bird, the less it will want to bite. The less your bird bites, the less it will want to bite.

Scenarios that once caused my pionus to bite me, no longer seem to bother her. This is partly because she rarely gets rewarded for biting me; partly because she has learned that she has nothing to fear from me; partly because she has learned that biting me makes me leave her all alone; mostly because our relationship has improved steadily over time. She has learned to trust me more and more so she cuts me a little more slack than she did when she first came to live with me.

With my cockatoo, who came to me when he was 20 years old, it turned out that there were really only a few scenarios that needed to be addressed. He bit after landing on my hand, so now I hold out my hand instead. He sometimes bit after I tried to get him to step up, so now I hold my hand a few inches away and let him climb on or walk away (if he walks away, I fetch a stick and carry him on that, which thankfully works quite well). As I mentioned, he bites if I hold a treat in front of him too long, so I no longer offer treats until he's ready to take them - and now he takes treats very delicately every time. Perhaps I will find more scenarios in the future, but for now we're doing very well.

Good luck!
Posted by NateW on Fri, 05/07/2004 - 20:54.
Actually, there's one thing about this article that really needs to be written up in more detail, and that is using training to strengthen the relationship between you and your bird. It can teach the bird to enjoy your company, to want you to stick around, which helps with biting. However, doing that topic justice would take a whole other article... stay tuned.

Nate Waddoups
Redmond WA USA
Posted by Clive Jeffrey on Sun, 05/09/2004 - 19:48.
Hi Nate, I was intrigued by your coment about you friend inadvertantly teaching her Hyacinth to bite. Could you explain a bit more about this as the more research I do the more I underststand that we are always teaching/training different behaviour even though it is not a "formal" session. I feel I may be guilty of similar things with Bazil. While my goal is to make sure he does not bite people I may somehow be reinforcing his behaviour by trying to keep him calm? I look forward to your thoughts.
Cheers
Clive Jeffrey
Posted by NateW on Mon, 05/10/2004 - 21:08.
Here's a scenario:

Bird is on the owner's shoulder.
Owner and other people are standing around talking.
Bird nips owner's neck.
Owner grabs the bird's beak, pulls it right up to her face, and says very sternly, "no! no biting!"
Me: "Um, I think you just rewarded your bird for biting you."
Owner: "Oh no, she knows what 'no' means."
Me: "hmmmm."
Conversation moves on.
Bird nips owner's neck.
Owner grabs the bird's beak... see above. The cycle repeats.

I'm pretty sure that "no!" means, "ok, you have my attention, let's interact for a moment... do that again if you want some more attention."

Here's another scenario:

Bird is on the owner's shoulder.
Person walks up to say hello.
Bird leans toward person.
Person leans toward bird.
Bird lunges at person.
Owner grabs the bird's beak, pulls it right up to her face, and says very sternly, "No!"

IF you can get past the initial lunging stuff, the bird is pretty well behaved and enjoys a good head scratch. But you basically can't walk up to this bird. It might be safe if the bird is off the owner's shoulder, I'll have to try that some time.


Nate Waddoups
Redmond WA USA
Posted by Clive Jeffrey on Tue, 05/11/2004 - 18:25.
Thanks for the clear description. Would you suggest something like this?
Bird on owners shoulder
Bird nips neck
She places bird down on T stand for eg then says "No bad bird"
After a few seconds or so let him back up her shoulder and try again?
Cheers
Clive Jeffrey
Posted by NateW on Tue, 05/11/2004 - 20:45.
Ideally the response would be immediate. I think that stepping the bird up and put it on a stand might make the bird learn the wrong lesson... like it was given a time-out as a result of stepping up. Plus, I'm especially skeptical of talking to the bird when it's standing there perfectly comfortable. How can you know you're not just putting on a show for the bird's entertainment?

When I get bit, I shake the bird off and leave the room for 30 seconds or so, standing silently just out of sight. If they try to follow me, I duck and they fly over me to land somewhere else and I hide somewhere else. There isn't much trouble they can get into in 30 seconds, and I'm close by so I can hear what they're up to. Then (and this is something I only picked up recently), I go back and give the bird a chance to earn a reward from me, either by stepping up or targeting a chopstick or flying to me, depending on how much I trust the bird not to bite again. The idea there is to remind them that I'm basically good to be around - driving me away just makes them bored and alone, but doing the right thing earns them treats.

Nate Waddoups
Redmond WA USA
Posted by jtholley03 on Wed, 05/12/2004 - 11:02.
On the shoulder

When Bean grabs my hair or sticks his tongue in my ear I turn my head away from him and push the back of my head into his face. i also tell him no. I just repeated this as many times as necessary. Some days it is tongue city and we go back and forth for a minute or so then I just give the to your cage command and he flies there.

Fingers
Bean loves my fingers in his mouth. It is a trust thing and a play thing. In the beginning when Bean would do this and press i little too hard for me I would tell him be nice. He would get excited and a little nippy. If he took my finger in his mouth I would just push it back rather than pull away. This was not done to choke him as my finger was sticking out the other side. I did it more to catch him off guard and off balance. This worked extremely well.
Posted by Parrotdragon on Sun, 05/30/2004 - 00:04.
Hoot also loves to play with fingers, although having a some what smaller mouth than a Macaw means that most of the time a whole finger is not about to be 'munched' on. My reaction with her if she starts to get a bit too rough has been to actually grasp the top of her beak between finger and thumb and tug down gently but enough to unbalance her. Works like a dream. I think the balance thing is the secret weapon.

Debbi
NZ
Posted by marcsherry on Thu, 03/03/2005 - 20:46.
HELP!!! I've had my cockatoo for 12 years and he has always been very much a cuddler...we have our cuddle time every night. About a year ago (in May) he came out of his cage and attacked my face..bad bite. It took us a while to get over this but we seemed to. Then 2 nights ago he tried to bite me and I could tell he was going to...so I put him back in his cage and left the room for the evening. Last night I tried again. Same thing, we cuddled for a while and then it was like he woke up ticked off. He walked around all cocky and then went for my nose...I tried to calm him down but then he went for my face. I threw him on the floor and jumped up, he was then on the attack. I threw a blanket over him and threw him back in his cage. Now I have 2 problems. The first is that after last year this new attack has me even more afraid of getting injured and second...WHY is he biting. It's NOT to get my attention...he already has it 100% I can tell he is not biting but attacking. He is really mad about something. PLEASE HELP.... I feel terrible, we have always has a very close relationship and it kills me not to take him out...guilt and all but I don't what to fight him.
Thank RS in Washington
Posted by JMK-Yoda on Fri, 03/04/2005 - 02:13.
I'm no expert, but I believe too's (GSC) follow the human life cycle, and at this age, the teenage rebellious years and he is testing his independence. JMHO Mine, Bebe is 11, but hasn't shown aggression yet. Like most I agree that, time out is a must. I hope some members more experienced can help

Murray NZ
Posted by jtholley03 on Mon, 03/07/2005 - 15:06.
Don't think a time out will overcome this.

Debbie's or my way of grasping the beak and holding it shut should overcome this. You have to not fear though! You might get bit until you figure out how to do this. But put your hand over his head and use your thumb on the top of his beak to hold it down. And a firm NO. Hold it for 10 or twenty seconds. You need to do this EVERY time he goes to bite.

About the fact thing - that is tough. You are going to have to keep him away from your face. There is a lot of talk about shoulder perching and this is one of the problems.

Another thing you can try which is a little simpler but the bird might quickly figure it out is the following. When a bird bites people tend to pull away. A bird immediately learns that if he strikes at your hand you are going to pull away. Do the opposite and push you hand/finger into his mouth and push him backawrds. This will knock him off balance and he will be forced to do something else with his beak.

Now I know both of these seem like you are going to get bit and you probably will. But with both eventually the bird knows he is either going to get knocked off balance or have his beak gently clamped shut. He will like neither one of these and you will get the upper hand.

Please keep us posted as to what you do and your progress..
Posted by Clive Jeffrey on Mon, 03/07/2005 - 16:11.
An important thing to remember is that "bahaviour has function" ie this biting/attacking is serving a purpose for the bird and somthing is triggering it. What you need to do is try and figure out, by observation what it is , that is setting him off. Is it another person entering the room, a sudden noise inside or out? Once you have found the trigger, you can attempt to remove this trigger or avoid it somehow. The theory is easy, that practrice takes a bit of work. Try different things untill you have found the cause. Remember "behaviour" does not happen in islolation.
Clive Jeffrey
Posted by NateW on Mon, 03/07/2005 - 21:37.
Rule #1: Don't get bit. Don't get yourself in a position where he can bite. Stay out of biting range. Keep him caged, if you must.

Interact with him at a safe distance, and/or with cage bars between you. If he lunges at you, leave him alone for a few minutes. Then start over. And, as Clive said, watch for triggers. And, watch his body language for signs of an impending attack - "he walked around all cocky" and so on - and leave the room when he does those things.

Nate Waddoups
Redmond WA USA
Posted by ginger on Sun, 06/26/2005 - 08:59.
Ok. I am relieved to find someone in a similar position. My lories attacks are becoming more frequent and spontanious. One night she was on my shoulder for hours playing.. I got up to make her nector and she bit my lip..almost gave me a piercing. She ended up on the floor from my reaction. I went over to the sink and she attacked my foot. I ended up on the counter, with my husband who she loves, putting her in her cage. I know that I am rewarding her because the moment she bites me, my husband gets her..and that is what she wants, but her attacks are so violent. I was cleaning her cage the other day and seh crawled out onto my shoulder then down my back. next thing I know she is biting the back of my arm. I do notice ( being totally serious) that I cannot go near her when I have my period. I think she smells the increase in hormones and feels she has to protect her place in her pecking order. I love this bird to death, but it is getting to the point where I cannot handle her at all. please please help!!! Keep in mind that Lories are aggressive birds, and have been known to attack and kill bigger birds, and I get the feeling she thinks I am the bigger bird.
Posted by NateW on Mon, 06/27/2005 - 19:54.
If the bird is biting so unpredictably then I think it's best to stop letting her get so close. Interacting only through the cage bars will ensure that the bird doesn't get rewarded any more for biting you, because the bird won't be able to bite you at all.

If you can't avoid the bites, the problem is going to be VERY hard to solve. If you can't see them coming soon enough to avoid them, then a physical barrier (like cage bars) is the answer for now.

Nate Waddoups
Redmond WA USA
Posted by Milkmaid on Wed, 10/26/2005 - 06:19.
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