Posted by NateW on Fri, 03/12/2004 - 22:54 :: Training
Someone asked about training fly-to-perch on the freeflight list in the Spring of 2004:

My birds love hanging on me, so I can easily see them flying toward me. But it's harder to see them flying away because they're just happy enough where they are.

Think of a cue that you will use for 'fly to perch.' Get the bird on your hand. Then, there's two approaches I've used...

The easiest way starts with a place where the bird flies to on their own, for whatever reason. I used a bookshelf that Phoebe liked to fly to. Stand a couple feet away, give the cue, "toss" the bird, and click/treat when the bird lands on the perch. Gradually extend the distance. This is how I taught Phoebe to fly to a perch for the first time. It was almost too easy... I can't promise it will work for anyone else, but it worked for us.

If your bird doesn't already fly to some particular place regularly, or if you want to generalize fly-to-perch, try this: Stand a couple feet away from a perch, give the cue, put the bird on the perch (stepping, not flying), click, and treat. Repeat this until the bird starts leaning toward the perch when you give the cue. At this point you know they bird understands the "cue -> perch -> treat" idea. Then stand a couple feet further away, give the cue, step over to the perch and put the bird down. Repeat a few times.

When it's clear that the bird understands the game, they will start leaning toward the perch and stepping off your and as soon as you give the cue. At that point - not sooner - you can try tossing the bird to the perch, which should only be about a foot away. When the bird understands that game, you can start stretching out the distance.

With a bird that flies often, you can probably skip the 'step to perch' step and go right to flying, but I think the stepping phase is helpful. I still use it with Phoebe when I want her to fly to an unfamiliar perch. Otherwise she either misses the perch or hangs on tight and doesn't fly at all. With both approaches, once Phoebe started flying to the perch it took less and less of a toss to get her flying. Now she jumps off my hand as often as not, and if she doesn't jump I just have to give her a tiny nudge to get her airborne.

In the beginning I found that tossing Phoebe worked best if I held her so she was standing flat-footed on my hand. That way she was less likely to grip my fingers and hang on tight (if your bird's toes can reach around your whole hand, this hint isn't worth much ). With a bird that already flies to and fro, it shouldn't take much of a toss. With a bird that has little or no history of flying around... I don't know... getting the very first flights is a challenge I haven't had to face yet.

A friend of mine, Andrew, got his Macaw flying using the latter approach. Shatzi had little or no flight experience when we all started meeting in a vacant building twice a week, but now when Andrew taps on something, Shatzi's wings go out, his head goes down, and he gets ready to go. It's really neat to watch... Shatzi clearly knows the game and is really motivated to play.

People occasionally tell me that their bird wont fly to a perch, and just hangs on tight when they try to toss their bird to the perch. Imagine you're the bird. When you get tossed, where are you going to go? And why would you want to go there? If you don't have a nearby destination all picked out, and you don't have a reason to go somewhere, you might as well hang on tight. But, if you know you'll get rewarded to going to the perch, then the toss is barely necessary because you were planning on going there anyhow.

So: get a clicker, get a treat, put the bird on your hand. Tap on the perch, make the bird step up onto the perch, click when the bird climbs on, and then give the bird a treat. If you do this enough, you will probably notice that when you tap on the perch, the bird starts leaning towards the perch, wanting to go there. At that point it's not just the perch, it's the perch. It's where the bird wants to go.

Then step back an arm's length from the perch. Put the bird on your hand, tap on the perch, and give the bird a gentle toss. What happens?

I have some video of me using the step-to-perch idea to teach Phoebe to fly to my girlfriend. Pheobe starts out flying to her a t-stand, and then after some stepping on to Elizabeth (click, treat) she flies to the stand again (doesn't quite get what I'm asking) then after a few more rounds of step-click-treat she flies to Elizabeth. I've been meaning to edit that video down to a manageable size and put it on my web site, but haven't gotten around to it yet.

Posted by Lisa Phoenix on Thu, 07/01/2004 - 08:58.
Nate, this works wonderfully. i've been doing these things with Mouse, indoors and out, and he really does understand the "tap perch" cue. Would love to see the video...
Posted by Clive Jeffrey on Thu, 07/01/2004 - 19:16.
This worked well for me too, I now use the tap on forearm as my recall cue as well which is excellent when Bazil is out of ear shot.
Clive Jeffrey
Posted by NateW on Tue, 09/28/2004 - 22:02.
I'm really glad to hear that this works for other people too. :-)

Someone just asked about getting a bird to take its first flight, and while inviting them to read this article I was reminded of a couple things that I don't think I stressed quite enough in the article itself... here's what I wrote:

I think it's really critical that when a bird is taking its first flights, tht before it takes off, it WANTS to go to a specific, good landing spot. By 'good' I mean one that is close enough that the bird is guaranteed to get there. This is a simple thing to achieve with training, but in watching people toss their birds for their first flights I've seen a bunch of birds just totally surprised to be airborne, and they often end up flying into something because they don't know where they should go - they don't know how they got airborne - they don't know how to stay airborne - the whole experience is pretty traumatic.

Basically, if the bird isn't looking straight at the perch you expect it to land on, and leaning toward that perch, don't toss. Do some more training until the bird really wants to play this game - it probably won't take much, but it could mean the difference between successful flight vs. crashing into the wall behind the perch.


Nate Waddoups
Redmond WA USA
Posted by jtholley03 on Wed, 09/29/2004 - 15:28.
Flying to perch is a great thing.

I thought I would never get recall since fly to perch was such a strong thing.

I make sure I have two things oustside in my little world.

The rope perch just at the edge of the woods and the perch. We have these out every time we go outside. Sometimes it is just the boys playing on the swingset.

Sometimes it is a family gathering.

Bean always knows he has two places to land.

Today was a very low pressure system blowing through.

When Bean would go to fly to his perch 90' away it was the strangest thing. He looked like he couldn't even fly. He traced the lines of the house then hovered sideways to the perch.

It was obvious he still is not totally adept outside.

Guess it just shows the variables we never think of.

But having the constants there does help a bit.
Posted by NateW on Wed, 09/29/2004 - 20:16.
Interesting... wind must be a pretty strange thing for a bird that's not familiar with it. But like you said, that 'constant' has to help. Knowing where he's going means he can focus on flying in wind, rather than having to figure out where he's going even while he's trying to figure out how to get anywhere at all.


Nate Waddoups
Redmond WA USA
Posted by jtholley03 on Fri, 10/01/2004 - 15:11.
Strange thing was there was not too much wind. Bean has flown is some good wind like maybe 10 MPH. I would say this day was maybe 3-4 MPH. But it was an extreme low pressure from the remains of the hurricane.

So barrometric pressure must affect them more than one would think. His flaps were very short and looked like someone walking on a ball. No form at all. Since then back to normal.

So just one more unknown.
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