Posted by bird-lover34 on Mon, 08/08/2005 - 08:14 :: General Discussion
We have only one pet shop in town. Their birds appear to be well kept although my heart was touched at a baby African Grey in a separate cage that appeared to be absolutely terrified. The proprietors seem to be pretty knowledgeable about birds.

Conversely, I responded to an AD in the Petfinders website. I was looking for a DYHD Amazon but I couldn't afford to pay $600-1000. as my only income is Social Security. The guy said he had a male he would sell for $350.00 and he had a yellow nape Am. he would sell for $175. because she had no toenails but was otherwise healthy.
We made the long trip (478 miles)to get one or the other of the birds. When we arrived, we noticed the guy had a big tin corrugated roofed shed with plywood walls in which he had all his birds. They were in cages made out of rabbit wire (like 1" squares). My bird had one huge tree branch across the cage about 12" in diameter for a perch. No toys, very little light. He had a female cage mate that he obviously didn't like because he had pecked her bald. All they could do was to climb the walls and sides of the cage continously. The yellow nape was in a taller, larger cage with another bird (don't remember what kind) but had a tree branch diagonally placed but at least had smaller branches so they could perch.
He had about 80 other birds in various cages, all squawking and screaming. I don't blame them I would want out of there too.
I decided to "rescue" the male DYHD if nothing else than to get him out of that terrible environment. The guy caught the bird with a butterfly net and put him in a travel cage we brought with us.
When I asked him what kind of food he was feeding them, so I could gradually introduce the pellet food, he said, "Ah, don't worry about it! If he gets hungry enough, he'll eat it!" He is totally wild. No human contact at all except for someone dumping bird seed in a bowl.
We stopped at our Vet on the way home. She said he was strong, healthy and no abnormalities. She clipped every other feather so we could handle him a little easier but didn't clip his nails because he was already too stressed.
But the experience with a so-called breeder has left me with the feeling that at least in the pet shops, their mistakes are visible and people can and do speak up when they see errors being made. The breeder's abuse and neglect is hidden on their own property and not open to scrutiny by the public.
I know the mere fact that he sold the bird for less than the market price might have been a indication of the man but when you want to adopt a bird and you don't have a lot of money up front, you have few opportunities. I watched the newspapers for months for someone just wanting to give a bird up but no go. Everyone wants the big bucks whether the bird can talk or is tamed or whatever.
Even though I had to put the charge on my credit card, I was fortunate to get Romeo for the lower price. He is in a wonderful cage with lots of toys and lots of good food and more important lots of love! I just feel so sorry for all those other birds in that guy's possession.
Posted by NateW on Thu, 08/11/2005 - 22:25.
Wow. You see a lot of people on the internet recommending breeders over pet shops, but clearly all breeders are not created equal!

Nate Waddoups
Redmond WA USA
Posted by barb E on Fri, 08/12/2005 - 05:05.
It breaks my heart to read about how some animals are "cared" for.

Surely there are easier ways to make money .... so why do people do this???

Just yesterday I saw a poor Amazon living in poor conditions and the justification was that the daughter could'nt handle the bird so the father had "taken it off her hands".
After chatting awhile, I found out that the daughter was a vet and had rescued the bird from a bad situation.....talk about out of the pan and into the fire....

We could always have a philosophical discussion about quality of life and merits of Euthanasia.

Maybe my next bird will be a rescue even though I'd rather have a baby bird.
Posted by Buddy on Sun, 08/14/2005 - 05:22.
Fortunately I havn't been to many bird breeders or petshops that sell birds, and havn't seen that sort of cruelty first hand. But it makes me so sad to hear that these beautiful creatures are being abused. It is not thier choice to be involved with humans, its ours. So it is our responsibility to look after them and offer them the best possible life as guests in our world.

I got my tiel (Buddy) from a breeder. I believed the level of care there was high. A lot of the avaries and cages were outside so the birds could catch some sun and enjoy the sights of the property. And It must be just sooooo much healthier for the birds, than keeping them locked up inside. I'm no bird expert but I know that birds shouldn't be locked up in a tiny cage with no toys or source of fun in a dark corner of a shed.

Ben, south oz
Posted by helloshera on Fri, 08/19/2005 - 06:33.
GOOD MORNING! Glad to see that everyone is waking up. You've all heard of "Puppy Mills." This is not at all different from the bird breeder you describe. AND IT IS NOT DIFFERENT FROM FACTORY FARMING! Please, people - there is so much you can do to stop this abuse. Buy eggs, dairy products, and meats that are 'free-range.' Is it worth the extra cost to know that the animals that gave their eggs, milk, or lives lived good lives? You betcha! Report this breeder to the health department and animal control officer in that area at once! Contact the humane organization nearest to that breeder and report him. And contact the nearest major newspaper. They're always looking for stories like that. You can't simply stop at the fact that you gave one of his birds a good life.
Sara
Vermont
Mom to 5 rescue birds, 3 rescue dogs and 3 rescue cats
Posted by DanaLC on Sun, 08/21/2005 - 13:38.
Oh that is so sad:( Some people don't understand/care how they keep thier birds.

I can relate to havin a small budget for a bird. Luckily, I adopted two lovely birds from a good home. The first a Blue-headed Pionus and the second a Lesser-sulfer Crested Cockatoo. I met their former onwer through a bird club. While both birds are former breeders and hadn't been pets they were kept in excellent condition--clean cages, water, food,ect. I wasn't able to go to the breeders facilities myself, but other members of the club have been. He is known for keeping healthy birds and giving high end care. Both birds arrived in good feather, clean nairs, and adjusted quickly to new surroundings.

But I am aware that not all breeders give good care. I'd say this guy needs to be reported. Then hopefully those other birds will get a better home, too.

Dana